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23rd Reciprocal State & Teenage Accidental Shootings
Good afternoon Folks.
Hope that all are alive and well and enjoying the drier weather. I am enclosing
the latest Florida Reciprocity listing. As of August 14, 2003, there are now 23
states (North Carolina being the latest) with whom we have reciprocity! There
have also been two senseless & absolutely preventable killings of children with
"unloaded" and unsecured guns since September 2, 2003. Just a quick reminder --
LOK is September 17, 2003, and begins at 6PM with speakers (Circuit Court Judge
and a Criminal Defense Attorney) followed by machine gun firing. See you there!
Norm & Jane
St. Petersburg Times -- September 2, 2003 "Teen killed
playing 'cowboys and Indians"
This occurred in Ocala on September 1, 2003. A 17-year-old boy and a 13-year-old
boy were playing a game of cowboys & Indians at the 17 year old's home in Ocala.
Unfortunately, they were using a real . 32 caliber handgun and a real . 22
caliber rifle. During the course of the game, the 13-year-old pointed the . 32
at the older boy, pulled the trigger and killed the 17-year-old. The older boy's
parents were out of town and the 13-year-old "told police that he did not know
the gun was loaded."
St. Petersburg Times -- September 6, 2003 "Teenager
playing with dad's gun kills friend"
This occurred much closer to home -- Largo! On September 5, 2003, five boys, one
14, one 12, two 11 and one 10, cut school and went to the 14-year-olds home. The
boys started playing with a . 357 Magnum revolver that the father very
recklessly left loaded and under the couch in the living room. Per Detective Joe
Coyle, "A two-year old could have gotten it." During the course of their
playing, the 14-year-old fired the gun into the head of the 12-year-old thereby
killing him instantly. Due to the violation of Florida State Statute 790.14, the
father, who was at work at the time of the shooting, is facing the possibility
of five years in Florida State Prison and the 14-year-old may face manslaughter
charges. By the way, the father apparently stated to police that the 14-year-old
knew the gun was under the sofa.
Please take a moment and reflect on what will be or could be happening to all
parties involved -- arrests, grand juries, attorneys, court costs, indictments,
prison, civil law suits, funerals, tears, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,
suicides, convicted felon status, no job prospects, etc. The list goes without
end and is like a ripple in a pond -- the fatal shot is fired and it spreads
from there! I am personally a major advocate of two things -- education and
security. Jane and I started all four of our children on firearms safety at age
three. We always took the approach that this was the best method of preventing a
tragedy because of my military and law enforcement careers. However, we always
kept our firearms secured due to the fact that even trained and educated
children are still children and the fact that that other parent's children may
have been absolutely uneducated! Knight's has an excellent assortment of full
size safes, ready gun vaults, trigger locks and locking gun boxes. Also, be
aware that I conduct Basic and Junior (8 - 17) firearms classes. Let's keep our
kids alive to present us with grandchildren -- please secure your guns and
educate your family!
UPDATE September 17, 2003 -- The September 11 edition of the St. Petersburg
Times reported that "Teen, dad held in boy's death." The 14-year-old that pulled
the trigger was charged with manslaughter and arrested September 10, 2003. It
has not yet been decided to charge the juvenile as an adult. This charge may
result in a 20-year prison sentence! The 52-year-old father of the 14-year-old
was arrested the same day and charged with culpable negligence due to his abject
failure to secure the firearm as required by Florida State Statute 790.14; a
third-degree felony. This may result in the father, the so called responsible
adult, receiving a five-year prison sentence. It appears to me that the scumbag,
irresponsible father should look at the possibility of 20 years in prison rather
than the son!
Concealed Carry Reciprocity
PLEASE NOTE: The reciprocity information on this page is ALWAYS CURRENT.
The Division of Licensing constantly monitors changing gun laws in other states
and attempts to negotiate agreements as the laws in those states allow. This
list was last updated on August 14, 2003, when North Carolina became the 23rd
reciprocity state.
With the addition of Section 790.015, Florida Statutes, in 1999,
Florida's weapons and firearms law was amended to allow the Division of
Licensing to enter into agreements with other states on the issue of carrying
concealed weapons. To date the Division has established such agreements with the
states listed below. In accordance with the terms of these pacts, each of these
states has extended the privilege of concealed carry to holders of Florida
Concealed Weapon/Firearm Licenses. The State of Florida has, in turn, extended
that same privilege to the licensees of these states.
It is important for license holders to understand that when they are
traveling in or through another state they are subject to the firearm laws of
that state. We have provided links to the state laws or to the licensing
authorities' Web page of each of our reciprocity states so that licensees can do
the necessary planning and research when preparing to travel.
FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama (1,5)
Alaska
(1)
Arkansas (1)
Colorado (1)
Georgia (1)
Idaho
(1)
Indiana (1)
Kentucky
Louisiana (1)
Michigan (1,4)
Mississippi
(1)
Montana
New Hampshire
(1,4)
North Carolina (1)
North Dakota
(1,3)
Oklahoma (1)
Pennsylvania
(1,6)
South Dakota (1,3)
Tennessee (1)
Texas (1)
Utah (1)
Vermont (1,2)
Wyoming (1)
(1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy
clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry
of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are
prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states.
(2) The State of VERMONT is unique in that it does not issue weapon/firearms
licenses. Florida licensees - indeed, licensed or unlicensed citizens from any
state - may carry in Vermont. This presents a problem for reciprocity with
Florida. Florida law provides that an out-of-state resident must have in his or
her immediate possession a valid license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm.
Since Vermont residents have no such license, the right to concealed carry
cannot be extended to them under Florida law.
(3) Under NORTH DAKOTA and SOUTH DAKOTA law, licensees qualify to possess a
concealed weapon permit once they become 18 years of age. Florida CANNOT extend
the privilege of concealed carry to citizens of these states who are under the
age of 21.
(4) Florida issues concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals regardless
of whether or not they are Florida residents. MICHIGAN and NEW HAMPSHIRE will
honor the Florida license ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of
Florida.
(5) The Attorney General's Office of the State of ALABAMA has indicated that
Alabama will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. However, the
Alabama Attorney General notes that there is some uncertainty as to the limits
of Alabama's reciprocity law as it pertains to non-resident licenses. Pending
clarification by the Alabama Legislature or a decision by an Alabama court, he
urges non-resident Florida license holders to exercise caution. Refer to the
Alabama AG's Web page for the latest information.
(6) Like Alabama, PENNSYLVANIA will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida
licenses. Because of the restrictive language in Florida's reciprocity law,
Florida will honor Pennsylvania licenses ONLY IF the license holder is a legal
resident of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
ANSWERS TO COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT RECIPROCITY AND TRAVELING WITH A
FIREARM
QUESTION 1. I have a Class "G" Florida Statewide Firearms License. Do the terms
of the reciprocity agreement apply to me?
No. The Class "G" Statewide Firearms License is a license issued to qualified
security officers and private investigators under the authority of Chapter 493,
F.S. The license authorizes the license holder to carry a firearm in the course
of performing job-related duties. The terms of the reciprocity agreements apply
only to licenses issued to citizens under the authority of Chapter 790, F.S.
QUESTION 2. There are a number of states that issue concealed carry licenses but
do not have a reciprocity agreement with Florida. Why?
The State of Florida will honor the concealed weapon/firearm permits issued by
another state PROVIDED THAT the other state will agree to honor the licenses
issued by Florida. The states listed above are the only ones that have agreed to
honor Florida permits.
There are a number of reasons why other states refuse to honor Florida licenses.
Some states will recognize another state's licenses only if that other state's
gun laws are substantially similar to their own. South Carolina, for example,
will not honor Florida licenses because Florida's issuance standards differ from
South Carolina's standards on key points. Other states simply do not have the
statutory authority to establish reciprocal agreements with other states. Oregon
is among the states in this latter category.
QUESTION 3. I am a Florida resident with a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm
License. Are there carry restrictions that I should observe while traveling in
other states?
Yes, there are. First of all, you should be aware that, as noted above, you are
limited in many states as to the type of weapon that you can conceal. Many
states allow concealed carry of handguns or pistols only.
In addition, most states' gun laws prohibit carrying concealed weapons into such
places as schools, bars, courthouses, and so on. Generally speaking, the other
states' lists are all quite similar to Florida's. Florida's list of designated
"NO CARRY" places is found in Section 790.06(12), Florida Statutes, the entirety
of which is quoted below:
790.06(12) - No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any
person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as
defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any
detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that
nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon
or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any
polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school
district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a
committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not
related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an
establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the
premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such
purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any area
vocational-technical center; any college or university facility unless the
licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or
university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device
designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or
projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport,
provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into
the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking
such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place
where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who
willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the
second degree, punishable as provided in s 775.082 or s. 775.083.
A licensee planning to travel to another state should consult that state's laws
or call a law enforcement agency in that state to find out precisely what carry
restrictions apply.
QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a
legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida
licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?
Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however,
two states - Michigan and New Hampshire - have indicated that they WILL NOT
honor non-resident Florida licenses. Because gun laws are subject to change or
different interpretation by state courts, it is recommended that non-resident
Florida licensees call or write licensing authorities in the states in which
they will be traveling to obtain the latest information.
QUESTION 5. I have a concealed carry permit from one of the states with which
Florida has reciprocity, but I am not a resident of that state. Can I carry
legally while visiting a Florida?
No. Florida, like Michigan and New Hampshire, has a residency requirement in its
reciprocity law. Florida does not recognize non-resident concealed carry permits
from other states.
QUESTION 6. I am planning a trip to Florida shortly. I do not have a permit from
my home state nor do I want to obtain a Florida permit. However, I would still
like to have a weapon with me for self-protection. What are my options?
Florida law does allow a citizen to transport a weapon in a private vehicle,
even if that citizen DOES NOT HAVE a concealed weapon license. Note the
following two key provisions in the law:
Section 790.25(5), which deals specifically with possession in a private
conveyance states that "it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a
person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon
for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private
conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely
encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein
contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun
anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful
use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a
concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be
liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of
firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s.
776.012." (Emphasis added.)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove
compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether
or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which
requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."
So, while you cannot carry the weapon on your person, you can at least have it
nearby in your vehicle while traveling.
QUESTION 7. I am a Florida license holder and will be driving through several
states on an upcoming trip. Some of these states do not have reciprocity with
Florida. If I plan to take my firearm with me, what precautions should I take
for transporting my weapon in my automobile securely and legally?
INTERSTATE TRAVEL WITH FIREARMS FALLS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF FEDERAL LAWS.
The relevant section from United States Code is quoted in its entirety below.
Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a
State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise
prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm
shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place
where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he
may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger
compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a
vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm
or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove
compartment or console.
Interstate travel with a firearm is, therefore, permissible as long as the
firearm is unloaded and in such a place that it is completely inaccessible
(preferably the trunk of the vehicle).
HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT CITIZENS PLANNING TO TRAVEL WITH A FIREARM
SHOULD CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR LICENSING AUTHORITIES IN THE STATES TO OR
THROUGH WHICH THEY WILL BE TRAVELING TO OBTAIN THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING
WEAPON TRANSPORT LAWS. IN SOME CASES, STATE LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER FEDERAL
LAW REGARDING INTERSTATE TRANSPORT OF FIREARMS.
QUESTION 8. I am traveling by plane and would like to carry my weapon with me.
Can I transport a firearm on a plane legally?
Transporting a weapon on a commercial airline is legal under the regulations of
the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). However, travelers must comply with
certain security procedures. Generally speaking, the FAA requires that weapons
be unloaded, stowed in hard-sided, locking luggage, and declared at the main
ticket counter at the time of check-in. At check-in, you will receive proper
documentation to place inside the gun case indicating that the weapon had been
declared. Each airline's security procedures may be slightly different, so it is
recommended that you call the carrier with whom you are planning to fly to get
instructions.
QUESTION 9. I am a Florida license holder, and I have recently received a
solicitation in the mail for an "official badge" identifying me as such a
license holder. Are these badges legal? Does the Division endorse these badges?
No, the Division does not endorse these badges, but they are not illegal. There
is nothing in Florida law that specifically prohibits companies from offering to
sell these badges to Florida license holders, nor is there any provision that
prohibits license holders from carrying such badges.
License holders should be aware that the use of official badges is prohibited in
Florida Statutes in a couple of places. Section 30.46 specifies that a badge in
the shape of a five-pointed star can be used by Florida sheriffs and deputy
sheriffs only. Section 843.085 makes it unlawful to wear or display any
authorized indicia of authority (including any badge) which could deceive a
reasonable person into believing that such item is authorized by any federal,
state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency.
Licensees should also take note that these badges do not substitute for
identification or confirmation of your status as a holder of a Florida Concealed
Weapon or Firearm License. Only the license issued by the Division will serve as
a means of identifying a citizen as a license holder.
STAY SAFE AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and
to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
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