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Tip #54
LOK Meeting, Local Events & 22nd Reciprocal State
Good morning Folks.
Please note that this is a reissue of Tip #54. When I added the July 2003
Florida Reciprocity listing, I included a single blue bar from the state's
webpage. That turned the update into an attachment and, with all the new viruses
on the street, folks may not open if it appears to be an attachment. I know that
Jane and I usually do not do so. I also wanted to add a quick blurb on a
situation that occurred in Tampa. Sorry for the repeat but here goes! See you at
Knight's! Tnx Norm
Jane and I hope that all are well and staying safe. We are pleased to
announce that we will have two excellent speakers for our September 17, 2003,
Ladies of the Knight meeting. Circuit Court Judge John Schaefer and Attorney
Melinda Tindell will speak from 7 - 8PM about the realities of self-defense and
what you can expect if you find yourself in that position. We will follow our
normal schedule for the event: sign-in, refreshments & waivers from 6 - 7PM,
presentation from 7-8PM and then 9MM submachineguns from 8 - 9:30PM. The cost is
$15.00 plus ammunition expense for shooters and $10.00 for those who choose not
to fire.
Speaking of firing, there has been discussion with Ed and Mark Martenfeld
of Knight Shooting Sports about starting a Junior Shooters Club. This will be
for children from 8 yoa to 17 yoa who would like to do some competitive
shooting. Please let me know if interested and the ages of your children.
I also spoke with Mark and Dan of Knight Shooting Sports. Knight's has a
supply of MK-3 Pepper Foam on hand. These are 2.4 ounce and 4.2 ounce containers
in a 10% solution for $14.99 and $16.99 respectively. Due to size, please be
aware that they may not be carried concealed on or about your person without a
CWP but they may be used at home and in your business. Knight's also still has a
good selection and stock of the ready gun vaults. There are three different
models ranging for $89 to $99 and you know how I feel about protecting children
from unsupervised access as well as Florida State law. Of course, it is also a
good idea to be able to access a loaded firearm in an emergency! Finally, there
is an excellent buy on the CZ 9MM PCR compact autoloading pistol. The price is
regularly $498.00 but now on sale for $465.00. Great gun and great buy! I also
have included the July 25, 2003, reciprocity listing -- now up to 22 states with
the addition of Colorado and Oklahoma in July 2003! The more the merrier! See
you at Knight's! Norm
PS -- Don't forget that you should not leave your firearm in your vehicle while
having the vehicle serviced!
It never fails to amaze me what you can learn by reading the St. Petersburg
Times. Many of the topics and lessons learned come from that newspaper. There
seems to be a tendency to read the articles, shake your head and then go on to
bigger and better things. When we do that, we miss the value of a lesson that
may help us not to make the same possibly terminal mistake! All of these events
came from the St. Petersburg Times:
Here is the added article from the St. Petersburg Times dated August 22, 2003
titled "Ordinary day turns violent in instant"
"A popular science teacher is stabbed simply shopping for a box of
doughnuts. The suspect was recently freed from prison." A 54-year-old woman
stopped at a Krispy Kreme donut shop at 3:40PM to buy doughnuts for her hair
stylist. She was accosted by a career felon (spent 22 of his 39 years in prison)
who had a butcher knife with an 8-inch blade. This scumbag demanded that the
teacher drive him to an unknown location. The teacher kept her wits and tried to
get him to take the car and her purse but he wanted her, the car and the purse.
She refused to drive him and she started blowing her horn while still parked in
front of Krispy Kreme. He stabbed her in the abdomen and she kept blowing the
horn so this sociopath stabs her again in the thigh and flees. Fortunately no
vital organs were hit even though an artery, probably the femoral, was nicked.
The cops caught this scumbag about 15 minutes later with the bloody knife still
in his possession -- probably looking for another victim! I speak with some
people and they tell me that they do not feel threatened. Well, neither did the
teacher until 3:40PM on August 20, 2003. I have no details but she probably did
what we all do when running errands. It is daylight in a shopping center so you
don't bother to lock your car as you enter the store. You return to your
vehicle, probably a little distracted and dealing with your packages and keys,
sit down to start the car and there is the scumbag sitting right next to you!
Once again my cockroach theory is proven -- she blows the horn to attract
attention and the scumbag flees! She also was absolutely correct in refusing to
allow transportation to a site of the assailant's choosing. If she did so, she
would have simply disappeared based on the mutt's violent past behavior. Oh, by
the way, the scumbag apparently attacked another woman on August 17, 2003. He
tried to rob her and when she refused, he slashed her left palm and then fled.
Stay alert, take nothing for granted and don't be complacent -- they are out
there!
1. July 9, 2003 - "Shot in head, he drives to safety": A newspaper carrier
stops for gas at 2:45AM in Tampa. A scumbag walks up to him and asks for
directions and receives same. The man drives away & is followed by two scumbags
in a red car. He is forced off the road and shot in the head after the red car's
passenger approaches him and demands money. Lesson is simple -- don't trust
anyone at that time of the morning in a relatively deserted area. If they follow
you and do not follow your directions, become very concerned and either drive to
lights and people or call for assistance or both!
2. July 11, 2003 - "Officers' burgers laced with glass": Two Hillsborough
Sheriff's Deputies stopped at a McDonald's and ingested glass that was in their
hamburgers. This type of event seems to be reserved for law enforcement but it
can happen to anyone. I personally prefer to watch my food being prepared
whenever possible. We had a Clearwater PD sergeant see a food handler spit into
his hamburger a few years ago. Of course that scumbag was quickly arrested!
3. July 12, 2003 - "Killing haunts estranged husband": This man was
separated from his wife and she was living with a much younger man. This younger
scumbag had apparently stabbed her in the neck on May 8, 2003 but for some
reason, probably 'true love,' she dropped the Aggravated Battery charges and
continued to live with him. She paid for that major mistake by being stabbed to
death. Don't kid yourself, a violent relationship usually just continues to
escalate in the level of violence experienced. Use every legal means at your
disposal to eliminate the danger. Sorry to say, this crap happens virtually
every day! If you have those types of concerns, please call me. I may be able to
help!
4. July 15, 2003 - "Supermarket supervisor charged in strip search": This
takes the cake folks! Talk about morons. A Panama City supermarket supervisor
receives a phone call that one of his female employees is stealing. The "cop"
ordered the female employee to strip or go to jail. She did so and was kept
stripped for an extended period and required to pose in different positions. It
must have been legal because the woman spoke with and received her orders by
phone while speaking with the "cop"! The supervisor was arrested and the woman
embarrassed -- Holy Cow Batman! I never saw that one coming! By the way, there
were similar calls made to other supermarkets!
5. July 20, 2003 - "Hillsborough girl attacked by intruder": An intruder
entered the 10 year-old-girls home about 4:30AM apparently through an unlocked
sliding glass door. He then sexually battered her at least twice. The mother and
father engaged in a fight with the scumbag but he escaped. It turns out that he
was a neighborhood handyman who lived a few blocks away and was soon arrested. I
cannot emphasize too often that frequently those persons who harm our families
are those persons that we invite into our homes for either services, repairs or
as guests. Secure your home and purchase an alarm system! Not very complicated
but a bitter lesson for the family. Don't forget that I do home and business
surveys and have a security team to help. Please call me if I may be of
assistance with either a survey, high tech alarm, glass protection, locks,
security lighting, etc. Protect your family!
6. July 22, 2003 - "Suspect is found with missing boy at bus station": A
St. Petersburg man with a warrant for a Palm Beach County sexual battery was
caught trying to leave Tampa on a bus at 4PM July 21 with an 8 year-old-child.
The child's parents had entrusted their son to this scumbag predator on July 18
for an overnight stay with the attacker. They called police a few days later
when their son had not returned home on Sunday. Good thinking people! Protect
your kids and use your heads! It was okay though -- they knew the mutt for a
week or two! If you do not watch your children, someone else may do so! How
stupid!
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Concealed Carry Reciprocity
PLEASE NOTE: The reciprocity information on this page is ALWAYS CURRENT.
The Division of Licensing constantly monitors changing gun laws in other states
and attempts to negotiate agreements as the laws in those states allow. This
list was last updated on August 14, 2003, when North Carolina became the 23rd
reciprocity state.
With the addition of Section 790.015, Florida Statutes, in 1999,
Florida's weapons and firearms law was amended to allow the Division of
Licensing to enter into agreements with other states on the issue of carrying
concealed weapons. To date the Division has established such agreements with the
states listed below. In accordance with the terms of these pacts, each of these
states has extended the privilege of concealed carry to holders of Florida
Concealed Weapon/Firearm Licenses. The State of Florida has, in turn, extended
that same privilege to the licensees of these states.
It is important for license holders to understand that when they are
traveling in or through another state they are subject to the firearm laws of
that state. We have provided links to the state laws or to the licensing
authorities' Web page of each of our reciprocity states so that licensees can do
the necessary planning and research when preparing to travel.
FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama (1,5)
Alaska
(1)
Arkansas (1)
Colorado (1)
Georgia (1)
Idaho
(1)
Indiana (1)
Kentucky
Louisiana (1)
Michigan (1,4)
Mississippi
(1)
Montana
New Hampshire
(1,4)
North Carolina (1)
North Dakota
(1,3)
Oklahoma (1)
Pennsylvania
(1,6)
South Dakota (1,3)
Tennessee (1)
Texas (1)
Utah (1)
Vermont (1,2)
Wyoming (1)
(1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy
clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry
of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are
prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states.
(2) The State of VERMONT is unique in that it does not issue weapon/firearms
licenses. Florida licensees - indeed, licensed or unlicensed citizens from any
state - may carry in Vermont. This presents a problem for reciprocity with
Florida. Florida law provides that an out-of-state resident must have in his or
her immediate possession a valid license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm.
Since Vermont residents have no such license, the right to concealed carry
cannot be extended to them under Florida law.
(3) Under NORTH DAKOTA and SOUTH DAKOTA law, licensees qualify to possess a
concealed weapon permit once they become 18 years of age. Florida CANNOT extend
the privilege of concealed carry to citizens of these states who are under the
age of 21.
(4) Florida issues concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals regardless
of whether or not they are Florida residents. MICHIGAN and NEW HAMPSHIRE will
honor the Florida license ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of
Florida.
(5) The Attorney General's Office of the State of ALABAMA has indicated that
Alabama will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. However, the
Alabama Attorney General notes that there is some uncertainty as to the limits
of Alabama's reciprocity law as it pertains to non-resident licenses. Pending
clarification by the Alabama Legislature or a decision by an Alabama court, he
urges non-resident Florida license holders to exercise caution. Refer to the
Alabama AG's Web page for the latest information.
(6) Like Alabama, PENNSYLVANIA will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida
licenses. Because of the restrictive language in Florida's reciprocity law,
Florida will honor Pennsylvania licenses ONLY IF the license holder is a legal
resident of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
ANSWERS TO COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT RECIPROCITY AND TRAVELING WITH A
FIREARM
QUESTION 1. I have a Class "G" Florida Statewide Firearms License. Do the terms
of the reciprocity agreement apply to me?
No. The Class "G" Statewide Firearms License is a license issued to qualified
security officers and private investigators under the authority of Chapter 493,
F.S. The license authorizes the license holder to carry a firearm in the course
of performing job-related duties. The terms of the reciprocity agreements apply
only to licenses issued to citizens under the authority of Chapter 790, F.S.
QUESTION 2. There are a number of states that issue concealed carry licenses but
do not have a reciprocity agreement with Florida. Why?
The State of Florida will honor the concealed weapon/firearm permits issued by
another state PROVIDED THAT the other state will agree to honor the licenses
issued by Florida. The states listed above are the only ones that have agreed to
honor Florida permits.
There are a number of reasons why other states refuse to honor Florida licenses.
Some states will recognize another state's licenses only if that other state's
gun laws are substantially similar to their own. South Carolina, for example,
will not honor Florida licenses because Florida's issuance standards differ from
South Carolina's standards on key points. Other states simply do not have the
statutory authority to establish reciprocal agreements with other states. Oregon
is among the states in this latter category.
QUESTION 3. I am a Florida resident with a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm
License. Are there carry restrictions that I should observe while traveling in
other states?
Yes, there are. First of all, you should be aware that, as noted above, you are
limited in many states as to the type of weapon that you can conceal. Many
states allow concealed carry of handguns or pistols only.
In addition, most states' gun laws prohibit carrying concealed weapons into such
places as schools, bars, courthouses, and so on. Generally speaking, the other
states' lists are all quite similar to Florida's. Florida's list of designated
"NO CARRY" places is found in Section 790.06(12), Florida Statutes, the entirety
of which is quoted below:
790.06(12) - No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any
person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as
defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any
detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that
nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon
or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any
polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school
district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a
committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not
related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an
establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the
premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such
purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any area
vocational-technical center; any college or university facility unless the
licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or
university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device
designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or
projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport,
provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into
the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking
such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place
where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who
willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the
second degree, punishable as provided in s 775.082 or s. 775.083.
A licensee planning to travel to another state should consult that state's laws
or call a law enforcement agency in that state to find out precisely what carry
restrictions apply.
QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a
legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida
licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?
Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however,
two states - Michigan and New Hampshire - have indicated that they WILL NOT
honor non-resident Florida licenses. Because gun laws are subject to change or
different interpretation by state courts, it is recommended that non-resident
Florida licensees call or write licensing authorities in the states in which
they will be traveling to obtain the latest information.
QUESTION 5. I have a concealed carry permit from one of the states with which
Florida has reciprocity, but I am not a resident of that state. Can I carry
legally while visiting a Florida?
No. Florida, like Michigan and New Hampshire, has a residency requirement in its
reciprocity law. Florida does not recognize non-resident concealed carry permits
from other states.
QUESTION 6. I am planning a trip to Florida shortly. I do not have a permit from
my home state nor do I want to obtain a Florida permit. However, I would still
like to have a weapon with me for self-protection. What are my options?
Florida law does allow a citizen to transport a weapon in a private vehicle,
even if that citizen DOES NOT HAVE a concealed weapon license. Note the
following two key provisions in the law:
Section 790.25(5), which deals specifically with possession in a private
conveyance states that "it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a
person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon
for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private
conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely
encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein
contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun
anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful
use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a
concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be
liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of
firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s.
776.012." (Emphasis added.)
Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove
compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether
or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which
requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."
So, while you cannot carry the weapon on your person, you can at least have it
nearby in your vehicle while traveling.
QUESTION 7. I am a Florida license holder and will be driving through several
states on an upcoming trip. Some of these states do not have reciprocity with
Florida. If I plan to take my firearm with me, what precautions should I take
for transporting my weapon in my automobile securely and legally?
INTERSTATE TRAVEL WITH FIREARMS FALLS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF FEDERAL LAWS.
The relevant section from United States Code is quoted in its entirety below.
Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a
State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise
prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm
shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place
where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he
may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger
compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a
vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm
or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove
compartment or console.
Interstate travel with a firearm is, therefore, permissible as long as the
firearm is unloaded and in such a place that it is completely inaccessible
(preferably the trunk of the vehicle).
HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT CITIZENS PLANNING TO TRAVEL WITH A FIREARM
SHOULD CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR LICENSING AUTHORITIES IN THE STATES TO OR
THROUGH WHICH THEY WILL BE TRAVELING TO OBTAIN THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING
WEAPON TRANSPORT LAWS. IN SOME CASES, STATE LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER FEDERAL
LAW REGARDING INTERSTATE TRANSPORT OF FIREARMS.
QUESTION 8. I am traveling by plane and would like to carry my weapon with me.
Can I transport a firearm on a plane legally?
Transporting a weapon on a commercial airline is legal under the regulations of
the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). However, travelers must comply with
certain security procedures. Generally speaking, the FAA requires that weapons
be unloaded, stowed in hard-sided, locking luggage, and declared at the main
ticket counter at the time of check-in. At check-in, you will receive proper
documentation to place inside the gun case indicating that the weapon had been
declared. Each airline's security procedures may be slightly different, so it is
recommended that you call the carrier with whom you are planning to fly to get
instructions.
QUESTION 9. I am a Florida license holder, and I have recently received a
solicitation in the mail for an "official badge" identifying me as such a
license holder. Are these badges legal? Does the Division endorse these badges?
No, the Division does not endorse these badges, but they are not illegal. There
is nothing in Florida law that specifically prohibits companies from offering to
sell these badges to Florida license holders, nor is there any provision that
prohibits license holders from carrying such badges.
License holders should be aware that the use of official badges is prohibited in
Florida Statutes in a couple of places. Section 30.46 specifies that a badge in
the shape of a five-pointed star can be used by Florida sheriffs and deputy
sheriffs only. Section 843.085 makes it unlawful to wear or display any
authorized indicia of authority (including any badge) which could deceive a
reasonable person into believing that such item is authorized by any federal,
state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency.
Licensees should also take note that these badges do not substitute for identification
or confirmation of your status as a holder of a Florida Concealed Weapon or
Firearm License. Only the license issued by the Division will serve as a means
of identifying a citizen as a license holder.
STAY SAFE AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all."
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