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Tip #54

LOK Meeting, Local Events & 22nd Reciprocal State

 

Good morning Folks. Please note that this is a reissue of Tip #54. When I added the July 2003 Florida Reciprocity listing, I included a single blue bar from the state's webpage. That turned the update into an attachment and, with all the new viruses on the street, folks may not open if it appears to be an attachment. I know that Jane and I usually do not do so. I also wanted to add a quick blurb on a situation that occurred in Tampa. Sorry for the repeat but here goes! See you at Knight's! Tnx  Norm

     Jane and I hope that all are well and staying safe. We are pleased to announce that we will have two excellent speakers for our September 17, 2003, Ladies of the Knight meeting. Circuit Court Judge John Schaefer and Attorney Melinda Tindell will speak from 7 - 8PM about the realities of self-defense and what you can expect if you find yourself in that position. We will follow our normal schedule for the event: sign-in, refreshments & waivers from 6 - 7PM, presentation from 7-8PM and then 9MM submachineguns from 8 - 9:30PM. The cost is $15.00 plus ammunition expense for shooters and $10.00 for those who choose not to fire.
     Speaking of firing, there has been discussion with Ed and Mark Martenfeld of Knight Shooting Sports about starting a Junior Shooters Club. This will be for children from 8 yoa to 17 yoa who would like to do some competitive shooting. Please let me know if interested and the ages of your children.
     I also spoke with Mark and Dan of Knight Shooting Sports. Knight's has a supply of MK-3 Pepper Foam on hand. These are 2.4 ounce and 4.2 ounce containers in a 10% solution for $14.99 and $16.99 respectively. Due to size, please be aware that they may not be carried concealed on or about your person without a CWP but they may be used at home and in your business. Knight's also still has a good selection and stock of the ready gun vaults. There are three different models ranging for $89 to $99 and you know how I feel about protecting children from unsupervised access as well as Florida State law. Of course, it is also a good idea to be able to access a loaded firearm in an emergency! Finally, there is an excellent buy on the CZ 9MM PCR compact autoloading pistol. The price is regularly $498.00 but now on sale for $465.00. Great gun and great buy! I also have included the July 25, 2003, reciprocity listing -- now up to 22 states with the addition of Colorado and Oklahoma in July 2003! The more the merrier! See you at Knight's!   Norm

PS -- Don't forget that you should not leave your firearm in your vehicle while having the vehicle serviced!

It never fails to amaze me what you can learn by reading the St. Petersburg Times. Many of the topics and lessons learned come from that newspaper. There seems to be a tendency to read the articles, shake your head and then go on to bigger and better things. When we do that, we miss the value of a lesson that may help us not to make the same possibly terminal mistake! All of these events came from the St. Petersburg Times:

Here is the added article from the St. Petersburg Times dated August 22, 2003 titled "Ordinary day turns violent in instant"
     "A popular science teacher is stabbed simply shopping for a box of doughnuts. The suspect was recently freed from prison." A 54-year-old woman stopped at a Krispy Kreme donut shop at 3:40PM to buy doughnuts for her hair stylist. She was accosted by a career felon (spent 22 of his 39 years in prison) who had a butcher knife with an 8-inch blade. This scumbag demanded that the teacher drive him to an unknown location. The teacher kept her wits and tried to get him to take the car and her purse but he wanted her, the car and the purse. She refused to drive him and she started blowing her horn while still parked in front of Krispy Kreme. He stabbed her in the abdomen and she kept blowing the horn so this sociopath stabs her again in the thigh and flees. Fortunately no vital organs were hit even though an artery, probably the femoral, was nicked. The cops caught this scumbag about 15 minutes later with the bloody knife still in his possession -- probably looking for another victim! I speak with some people and they tell me that they do not feel threatened. Well, neither did the teacher until 3:40PM on August 20, 2003. I have no details but she probably did what we all do when running errands. It is daylight in a shopping center so you don't bother to lock your car as you enter the store. You return to your vehicle, probably a little distracted and dealing with your packages and keys, sit down to start the car and there is the scumbag sitting right next to you! Once again my cockroach theory is proven -- she blows the horn to attract attention and the scumbag flees! She also was absolutely correct in refusing to allow transportation to a site of the assailant's choosing. If she did so, she would have simply disappeared based on the mutt's violent past behavior. Oh, by the way, the scumbag apparently attacked another woman on August 17, 2003. He tried to rob her and when she refused, he slashed her left palm and then fled. Stay alert, take nothing for granted and don't be complacent -- they are out there! 
   
      1. July 9, 2003 - "Shot in head, he drives to safety": A newspaper carrier stops for gas at 2:45AM in Tampa. A scumbag walks up to him and asks for directions and receives same. The man drives away & is followed by two scumbags in a red car. He is forced off the road and shot in the head after the red car's passenger approaches him and demands money. Lesson is simple -- don't trust anyone at that time of the morning in a relatively deserted area. If they follow you and do not follow your directions, become very concerned and either drive to lights and people or call for assistance or both!
     2. July 11, 2003 - "Officers' burgers laced with glass": Two Hillsborough Sheriff's Deputies stopped at a McDonald's and ingested glass that was in their hamburgers. This type of event seems to be reserved for law enforcement but it can happen to anyone. I personally prefer to watch my food being prepared whenever possible. We had a Clearwater PD sergeant see a food handler spit into his hamburger a few years ago. Of course that scumbag was quickly arrested!
     3. July 12, 2003 - "Killing haunts estranged husband": This man was separated from his wife and she was living with a much younger man. This younger scumbag had apparently stabbed her in the neck on May 8, 2003 but for some reason, probably 'true love,' she dropped the Aggravated Battery charges and continued to live with him. She paid for that major mistake by being stabbed to death. Don't kid yourself, a violent relationship usually just continues to escalate in the level of violence experienced. Use every legal means at your disposal to eliminate the danger. Sorry to say, this crap happens virtually every day! If you have those types of concerns, please call me. I may be able to help!
     4. July 15, 2003 - "Supermarket supervisor charged in strip search": This takes the cake folks! Talk about morons. A Panama City supermarket supervisor receives a phone call that one of his female employees is stealing. The "cop" ordered the female employee to strip or go to jail. She did so and was kept stripped for an extended period and required to pose in different positions. It must have been legal because the woman spoke with and received her orders by phone while speaking with the "cop"! The supervisor was arrested and the woman embarrassed -- Holy Cow Batman! I never saw that one coming! By the way, there were similar calls made to other supermarkets!
     5. July 20, 2003 - "Hillsborough girl attacked by intruder": An intruder entered the 10 year-old-girls home about 4:30AM apparently through an unlocked sliding glass door. He then sexually battered her at least twice. The mother and father engaged in a fight with the scumbag but he escaped. It turns out that he was a neighborhood handyman who lived a few blocks away and was soon arrested. I cannot emphasize too often that frequently those persons who harm our families are those persons that we invite into our homes for either services, repairs or as guests. Secure your home and purchase an alarm system! Not very complicated but a bitter lesson for the family. Don't forget that I do home and business surveys and have a security team to help. Please call me if I may be of assistance with either a survey, high tech alarm, glass protection, locks, security lighting, etc. Protect your family!
     6. July 22, 2003 - "Suspect is found with missing boy at bus station": A St. Petersburg man with a warrant for a Palm Beach County sexual battery was caught trying to leave Tampa on a bus at 4PM July 21 with an 8 year-old-child. The child's parents had entrusted their son to this scumbag predator on July 18 for an overnight stay with the attacker. They called police a few days later when their son had not returned home on Sunday. Good thinking people! Protect your kids and use your heads! It was okay though -- they knew the mutt for a week or two! If you do not watch your children, someone else may do so! How stupid!

 


 

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
 

Concealed Carry Reciprocity
PLEASE NOTE: The reciprocity information on this page is ALWAYS CURRENT. The Division of Licensing constantly monitors changing gun laws in other states and attempts to negotiate agreements as the laws in those states allow. This list was last updated on August 14, 2003, when North Carolina became the 23rd reciprocity state.


 

With the addition of Section 790.015, Florida Statutes, in 1999, Florida's weapons and firearms law was amended to allow the Division of Licensing to enter into agreements with other states on the issue of carrying concealed weapons. To date the Division has established such agreements with the states listed below. In accordance with the terms of these pacts, each of these states has extended the privilege of concealed carry to holders of Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm Licenses. The State of Florida has, in turn, extended that same privilege to the licensees of these states.

It is important for license holders to understand that when they are traveling in or through another state they are subject to the firearm laws of that state. We have provided links to the state laws or to the licensing authorities' Web page of each of our reciprocity states so that licensees can do the necessary planning and research when preparing to travel.

FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama    (1,5)
Alaska    (1)
Arkansas    (1)
Colorado   (1)
Georgia   (1)
Idaho   (1)
Indiana   (1)
Kentucky   
Louisiana   (1)
Michigan   (1,4)
Mississippi   (1)
Montana
New Hampshire   (1,4)
North Carolina (1)
North Dakota   (1,3)
Oklahoma  (1)
Pennsylvania   (1,6)
South Dakota   (1,3)
Tennessee   (1)
Texas   (1)
Utah   (1)
Vermont   (1,2)
Wyoming   (1)

(1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states.

(2) The State of VERMONT is unique in that it does not issue weapon/firearms licenses. Florida licensees - indeed, licensed or unlicensed citizens from any state - may carry in Vermont. This presents a problem for reciprocity with Florida. Florida law provides that an out-of-state resident must have in his or her immediate possession a valid license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm. Since Vermont residents have no such license, the right to concealed carry cannot be extended to them under Florida law.

(3) Under NORTH DAKOTA and SOUTH DAKOTA law, licensees qualify to possess a concealed weapon permit once they become 18 years of age. Florida CANNOT extend the privilege of concealed carry to citizens of these states who are under the age of 21.

(4) Florida issues concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals regardless of whether or not they are Florida residents. MICHIGAN and NEW HAMPSHIRE will honor the Florida license ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of Florida.

(5) The Attorney General's Office of the State of ALABAMA has indicated that Alabama will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. However, the Alabama Attorney General notes that there is some uncertainty as to the limits of Alabama's reciprocity law as it pertains to non-resident licenses. Pending clarification by the Alabama Legislature or a decision by an Alabama court, he urges non-resident Florida license holders to exercise caution. Refer to the Alabama AG's Web page for the latest information.

(6) Like Alabama, PENNSYLVANIA will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. Because of the restrictive language in Florida's reciprocity law, Florida will honor Pennsylvania licenses ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

ANSWERS TO COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT RECIPROCITY AND TRAVELING WITH A FIREARM

QUESTION 1. I have a Class "G" Florida Statewide Firearms License. Do the terms of the reciprocity agreement apply to me?

No. The Class "G" Statewide Firearms License is a license issued to qualified security officers and private investigators under the authority of Chapter 493, F.S. The license authorizes the license holder to carry a firearm in the course of performing job-related duties. The terms of the reciprocity agreements apply only to licenses issued to citizens under the authority of Chapter 790, F.S.

QUESTION 2. There are a number of states that issue concealed carry licenses but do not have a reciprocity agreement with Florida. Why?

The State of Florida will honor the concealed weapon/firearm permits issued by another state PROVIDED THAT the other state will agree to honor the licenses issued by Florida. The states listed above are the only ones that have agreed to honor Florida permits.

There are a number of reasons why other states refuse to honor Florida licenses. Some states will recognize another state's licenses only if that other state's gun laws are substantially similar to their own. South Carolina, for example, will not honor Florida licenses because Florida's issuance standards differ from South Carolina's standards on key points. Other states simply do not have the statutory authority to establish reciprocal agreements with other states. Oregon is among the states in this latter category.

QUESTION 3. I am a Florida resident with a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License. Are there carry restrictions that I should observe while traveling in other states?

Yes, there are. First of all, you should be aware that, as noted above, you are limited in many states as to the type of weapon that you can conceal. Many states allow concealed carry of handguns or pistols only.

In addition, most states' gun laws prohibit carrying concealed weapons into such places as schools, bars, courthouses, and so on. Generally speaking, the other states' lists are all quite similar to Florida's. Florida's list of designated "NO CARRY" places is found in Section 790.06(12), Florida Statutes, the entirety of which is quoted below:

790.06(12) - No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any area vocational-technical center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s 775.082 or s. 775.083.

A licensee planning to travel to another state should consult that state's laws or call a law enforcement agency in that state to find out precisely what carry restrictions apply.

QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?

Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however, two states - Michigan and New Hampshire - have indicated that they WILL NOT honor non-resident Florida licenses. Because gun laws are subject to change or different interpretation by state courts, it is recommended that non-resident Florida licensees call or write licensing authorities in the states in which they will be traveling to obtain the latest information.

QUESTION 5. I have a concealed carry permit from one of the states with which Florida has reciprocity, but I am not a resident of that state. Can I carry legally while visiting a Florida?

No. Florida, like Michigan and New Hampshire, has a residency requirement in its reciprocity law. Florida does not recognize non-resident concealed carry permits from other states.

QUESTION 6. I am planning a trip to Florida shortly. I do not have a permit from my home state nor do I want to obtain a Florida permit. However, I would still like to have a weapon with me for self-protection. What are my options?

Florida law does allow a citizen to transport a weapon in a private vehicle, even if that citizen DOES NOT HAVE a concealed weapon license. Note the following two key provisions in the law:

Section 790.25(5), which deals specifically with possession in a private conveyance states that "it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012." (Emphasis added.)

Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."

So, while you cannot carry the weapon on your person, you can at least have it nearby in your vehicle while traveling.

QUESTION 7. I am a Florida license holder and will be driving through several states on an upcoming trip. Some of these states do not have reciprocity with Florida. If I plan to take my firearm with me, what precautions should I take for transporting my weapon in my automobile securely and legally?

INTERSTATE TRAVEL WITH FIREARMS FALLS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF FEDERAL LAWS. The relevant section from United States Code is quoted in its entirety below.

Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Interstate travel with a firearm is, therefore, permissible as long as the firearm is unloaded and in such a place that it is completely inaccessible (preferably the trunk of the vehicle).

HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT CITIZENS PLANNING TO TRAVEL WITH A FIREARM SHOULD CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR LICENSING AUTHORITIES IN THE STATES TO OR THROUGH WHICH THEY WILL BE TRAVELING TO OBTAIN THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING WEAPON TRANSPORT LAWS. IN SOME CASES, STATE LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER FEDERAL LAW REGARDING INTERSTATE TRANSPORT OF FIREARMS.

QUESTION 8. I am traveling by plane and would like to carry my weapon with me. Can I transport a firearm on a plane legally?

Transporting a weapon on a commercial airline is legal under the regulations of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). However, travelers must comply with certain security procedures. Generally speaking, the FAA requires that weapons be unloaded, stowed in hard-sided, locking luggage, and declared at the main ticket counter at the time of check-in. At check-in, you will receive proper documentation to place inside the gun case indicating that the weapon had been declared. Each airline's security procedures may be slightly different, so it is recommended that you call the carrier with whom you are planning to fly to get instructions.

QUESTION 9. I am a Florida license holder, and I have recently received a solicitation in the mail for an "official badge" identifying me as such a license holder. Are these badges legal? Does the Division endorse these badges?

No, the Division does not endorse these badges, but they are not illegal. There is nothing in Florida law that specifically prohibits companies from offering to sell these badges to Florida license holders, nor is there any provision that prohibits license holders from carrying such badges.

License holders should be aware that the use of official badges is prohibited in Florida Statutes in a couple of places. Section 30.46 specifies that a badge in the shape of a five-pointed star can be used by Florida sheriffs and deputy sheriffs only. Section 843.085 makes it unlawful to wear or display any authorized indicia of authority (including any badge) which could deceive a reasonable person into believing that such item is authorized by any federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency.

Licensees should also take note that these badges do not substitute for identification or confirmation of your status as a holder of a Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License. Only the license issued by the Division will serve as a means of identifying a citizen as a license holder.

 

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