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Stay Safe Street Tip #39

Attacks on Children & 20th Reciprocal State

Good morning Folks. Jane and I hope that all are well and staying safe. I have a few admin announcements before we get to the meat of the tips. Knight Shooting Sports is going to host a special event on September 11, 2002. This will include having Bubba the Love Sponge and 98Rock do a live broadcast from Knight Shooting Sports from 8:30AM through 10AM. Knight's will be selling Usama Bin Laden targets for $3.00 each. Two dollars will go to Pinellas County police organizations (PBA and FOP) and the other dollar to Pinellas County fire fighter organizations. I am going to donate Concealed Weapon Permit Classes, Self Defense Shooting Classes and Tactical Shooting Classes with the proceeds of those raffled events going to the same organizations. There will be a provision that all monies donated must be earmarked for scholarship funds for the children of officers and firefighters. Mark Martenfe! ld, manager of Knight Shooting Sports, is very concerned about the safety of children. In that spirit, he has offered to donate 10% of the $149.95 sale price of "Fast Access DAC SportSafes" to the Pinellas County police and firefighters for their scholarship funds. We will add and announce other events with the same goal in mind -- help care for the children of our local police officers and firefighters who "Protect and Serve."
George just sent me an email with a national 800# for poison control. I dialed the number this morning and spoke with a very nice lady who verified that this number was staffed 24/7. The American Association of Poison Control Centers (www.aapcc.org) has in fact established a single number for people to use to contact their local poison control center. That number is 1-800-222-1222. Good idea! Please add to your list of important numbers! Also as of July 26, 2002, there are now 20 reciprocal states with the addition of South Dakota. The complete memo has been attached due to an expanded format!

I am also pleased to advise that the competition shooting plans are moving right along. There is still no exact date but evolutions have been established and final procedures are being completed. I will keep you posted! See you at Knight's!
Norm

I just don't know what the devil is happening to our society. It seems that every day I read the St. Petersburg Times another child has been abducted, there has been an attempted abduction, sexual battery and/or murder. I do know some people who absolutely refuse to either watch, read or listen to the news. I am not certain that approach is the best approach but I can surely understand. I personally take the same approach as I did in Viet Nam. Know Your Enemy! They are out there and watching our children. We must be aware that an attack on any child is an attack on all children. Be aware and observant. Watch for unusual events particularly when students are traveling to school, traveling home form school or waiting for buses. This crap has to stop and we can all help! Please don't forget that I am an advocate of being a good witness rather than direct involvement. Once you become directly involved, you are fully and individually responsible and liable! Simply stated, do the ! right thing whatever that is!

 

St. Petersburg Times August 16, 2002, 62nd Avenue N, St. Pete  "Man arrested in sex attack on girl"
 

A 12 year old girl was walking near 62nd Avenue N between 6 and 7PM. A white male scumbag, later identified as Richard Anthony Dunbar, age 31, circled her two times and then stopped his van. He chased her, abducted her and then committed a sexual battery (rape). The girl later escaped but memorized the tag number. This piece of garbage was later arrested at his home and charged with sexual battery, kidnapping, lewd and lascivious molestation. The girl saw the van drive by twice but failed to respond appropriately when he drove by the third time, stopped and chased her. Please remind your children of the rules -- run, fight & scream! Remember my cockroach theory of criminality!

 

St. Petersburg Times August 14, 2002, Normandy Road, Clearwater "Intruder hits sleeping teen with rock"
 

A 14 year old girl and her mother were asleep in their home approximately 2:30AM. A white male scumbag, identified as dark-skinned, 5-9 to 5-11, 165-170, between 22 and 28, short dark hair, last seen wearing (LSW) a short-sleeved dark T-shirt and dark baggy over the knee shorts, entered the home, hit the girl in the head with a rock about the size of a grapefruit, cupped one hand over the girl's mouth and placed the other under her legs. There was a commotion and the mother awoke and called to her daughter. The scumbag then fled in such a hurry that he ran right through a sliding glass door apparently injuring himself. What a shame -- he should have severed a few arteries! Oh, by the way. He apparently entered through an unlocked back door! Of course the alarm was not turned on if there was one! This lesson is easy -- secure your home and use your alarm if you have one. If you do not, get one immediately!

 

St. Petersburg Times August 23, 2002, N. Kenwood area, St. Petersburg "Man sought in abduction try"
 

A 17 year old girl was walking home from on August 20. A white male scumbag exposed his penis to her and then tried to abduct her. The girl resisted and hit this dirtbag with her knapsack and ran to her home. Good for her! Sounds like a good argument to carry bricks in a knapsack! As advertised -- run, scream and fight!  His composite sketch is on page 3b of Metro & State Local News. He is still out there!


 

Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Updated July 26, 2002
 

With the addition of Section 790.015, Florida Statutes, in 1999, Florida's weapons and firearms law was amended to allow the Division of Licensing to enter into agreements with other states on the issue of carrying concealed weapons. To date the Division has established such agreements with the 20 states listed below. In accordance with the terms of these pacts, each of these states has extended the privilege of concealed carry to holders of Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm Licenses. The State of Florida has, in turn, extended that same privilege to the licensees of these states.

It is important for license holders to understand that when they are traveling in or through another state they are subject to the firearm laws of that state. We have provided links to the state laws or to then licensing authorities' Web page of each of our reciprocity states so that licensees can do the necessary planning and research when preparing to travel.
  FLORIDA'S RECIPROCITY STATES
Alabama    (1,5)
Alaska    (1)
Arkansas    (1)
Georgia   (1)
Idaho   (1)
Indiana   (1)
Kentucky   
Louisiana   (1)
Michigan   (1,4)
Mississippi   (1)
Montana   
New Hampshire   (1,4)
North Dakota   (1,3)
Pennsylvania   (1,6)
South Dakota   (1,3)
Tennessee   (1)
Texas   (1)
Utah   (1)
Vermont   (1,2)
Wyoming   (1)

(1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states. (2) The State of VERMONT is unique in that it does not issue weapon/firearms licenses. Florida licensees - indeed, licensed or unlicensed citizens from any state - may carry in Vermont. This presents a problem for reciprocity with Florida. Florida law provides that an out-of-state resident must have in his or her immediate possession a valid license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm. Since Vermont residents have no such license, the right to concealed carry cannot be extended to them under Florida law. (3) Under NORTH DAKOTA and SOUTH DAKOTA law, licensees qualify to possess a concealed weapon permit once they become 18 years of age. Florida CANNOT e! xtend the privilege of concealed carry to citizens of these states who are under the age of 21. (4) Florida issues concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals regardless of whether or not they are Florida residents. MICHIGAN and NEW HAMPSHIRE will honor the Florida license ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of Florida. (5) The Attorney General's Office of the State of ALABAMA has indicated that Alabama will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. However, the Alabama Attorney General notes that there is some uncertainty as to the limits of Alabama's reciprocity law as it pertains to non-resident licenses. Pending clarification by the Alabama Legislature or a decision by an Alabama court, he urges non-resident Florida license holders to exercise caution. Refer to the Alabama AG's Web page for the latest information. (6) Like Alabama, PENNSYLVANIA will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. Because of the re! strictive language in Florida's reciprocity law, Florida will honor Pennsylvania licenses ONLY IF the license holder is a legal resident of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

ASWERS TO COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT RECIPROCITY AND TRAVELING WITH A FIREARM


QUESTION 1. I have a Class "G" Florida Statewide Firearms License. Do the terms of the reciprocity agreement apply to me?

No. The Class "G" Statewide Firearms License is a license issued to qualified security officers and private investigators under the authority of Chapter 493, F.S. The license authorizes the license holder to carry a firearm in the course of performing job-related duties. The terms of the reciprocity agreements apply only to licenses issued to citizens under the authority of Chapter 790, F.S.

QUESTION 2. Over 30 states now issue concealed carry licenses, yet Florida has reciprocity with little more than half of these states. Why doesn't Florida have reciprocity with more states?

The State of Florida honors the concealed weapon/firearm permits issued by other states PROVIDED THAT those other states honor the licenses issued by Florida. The 20 states listed above are the only states that have agreed to honor Florida permits.

There are a number of reasons why other states refuse to honor Florida licenses. Some states will recognize another state's licenses only if that other state's gun laws are essentially the same as their own. (Arizona, for example, will not honor Florida licenses because Florida training requirements do not meet or exceed Arizona's training requirements.) Still other states have no statutory authority to recognize the validity of licenses from other states. (North Carolina issues licenses to its citizens, but it has no provisions in its law to recognize licenses issued by other states.)

QUESTION 3. I am a Florida resident with a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License. Are there carry restrictions that I should observe while traveling in other states?

Yes, there are. First of all, you should be aware that, as noted above, you are limited in many states as to the type of weapon that you can conceal. Many states allow concealed carry of handguns or pistols only.

In addition, most states' gun laws prohibit carrying concealed weapons into such places as schools, bars, courthouses, and so on. Generally speaking, the other states' lists are all quite similar to Florida's. Florida's list of designated "NO CARRY" places is found in Section 790.06(12), Florida Statutes, the entirety of which is quoted below:

790.06(12) - No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an es! tablishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any area vocational-technical center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor! of the second degree, punishable as provided in s 775.082 or s. 775.083.

A licensee planning to travel to another state should consult that state's laws or call a law enforcement agency in that state to find out precisely what carry restrictions apply.

QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?

Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however, two states - Michigan and New Hampshire - have indicated that they WILL NOT honor non-resident Florida licenses. Because gun laws are subject to change or different interpretation by state courts, it is recommended that non-resident Florida licensees call or write licensing authorities in the states in which they will be traveling to obtain the latest information.

QUESTION 5. I have a concealed carry permit from one of the states with which Florida has reciprocity, but I am not a resident of that state. Can I carry legally while visiting a Florida?

No. Florida, like Michigan and New Hampshire, has a residency requirement in its reciprocity law. Florida does not recognize non-resident concealed carry permits from other states.

QUESTION 6. I am planning a trip to Florida shortly. I do not have a permit from my home state nor do I want to obtain a Florida permit. However, I would still like to have a weapon with me for self-protection. What are my options?

Florida law does allow a citizen to transport a weapon in a private vehicle, even if that citizen DOES NOT HAVE a concealed weapon license. Note the following two key provisions in the law:

Section 790.25(5), which deals specifically with possession in a private conveyance states that "it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to autho! rize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012." (Emphasis added.)

Section 790.001(17) defines the term "securely encased" to mean "in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access."

So, while you cannot carry the weapon on your person, you can at least have it nearby in your vehicle while traveling.

QUESTION 7. I am a Florida license holder and will be driving through several states on an upcoming trip. Some of these states do not have reciprocity with Florida. If I plan to take my firearm with me, what precautions should I take for transporting my weapon in my automobile securely and legally?

INTERSTATE TRAVEL WITH FIREARMS FALLS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF FEDERAL LAWS. The relevant section from United States Code is quoted in its entirety below.

Sec 18 USC 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms.
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Interstate travel with a firearm is, therefore, permissible as long as the firearm is unloaded and in such a place that it is completely inaccessible (preferably the trunk of the vehicle).

HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT CITIZENS PLANNING TO TRAVEL WITH A FIREARM SHOULD CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR LICENSING AUTHORITIES IN THE STATES TO OR THROUGH WHICH THEY WILL BE TRAVELING TO OBTAIN THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING WEAPON TRANSPORT LAWS. IN SOME CASES, STATE LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER FEDERAL LAW REGARDING INTERSTATE TRANSPORT OF FIREARMS.

QUESTION 8. I am traveling by plane and would like to carry my weapon with me. Can I transport a firearm on a plane legally?

Transporting a weapon on a commercial airline is legal under the regulations of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). However, travelers must comply with certain security procedures. Generally speaking, the FAA requires that weapons be unloaded, stowed in hard-sided, locking luggage, and declared at the main ticket counter at the time of check-in. At check-in, you will receive proper documentation to place inside the gun case indicating that the weapon had been declared. Each airline's security procedures may be slightly different, so it is recommended that you call the carrier with whom you are planning to fly to get instructions.

QUESTION 9. I am a Florida license holder, and I have recently received a solicitation in the mail for an "official badge" identifying me as such a license holder. Are these badges legal? Does the Division endorse these badges?

No, the Division does not endorse these badges, but they are not illegal. There is nothing in Florida law that specifically prohibits companies from offering to sell these badges to Florida license holders, nor is there any provision that prohibits license holders from carrying such badges.

License holders should be aware that the use of official badges is prohibited in Florida Statutes in a couple of places. Section 30.46 specifies that a badge in the shape of a five-pointed star can be used by Florida sheriffs and deputy sheriffs only. Section 843.085 makes it unlawful to wear or display any authorized indicia of authority (including any badge) which could deceive a reasonable person into believing that such item is authorized by any federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency.

Licensees should also take note that these badges do not substitute for identification or confirmation of your status as a holder of a Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearm License. Only the license issued by the Division will serve as a means of identifying a citizen as a license holder. 

 

STAY SAFE AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!


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